Redeemer Pres. and Gender Roles, Pt. 3

Link to Part 1 and Part 2

As I noted before this series of talks is in a group on the Redeemer website.  In this part I’ll treat Tim’s response and a Q/A session with Tim and Kathy and then a panel discussion. Again I found the whole thing quite fascinating.

Importance for Redeemer

Tim makes it clear early in his presentation that he feels this is a crucial part of Redeemer’s DNA. This is not something that they want to see go away or as some people will expect that they “move beyond” their position.

Tim makes a very interesting observation early on both camps.

  • Egalitarians don’t want to talk about the difference between maleness and femaleness because they’re afraid it will be used to preclude women from something.
  • Complementarians want to talk about the differences but tend to express the differences through lists. Lists of things that are permitted or forbidden.

What Redeemer has done is that the Bible gives a principle, though hard to define (the lists are not in the Bible) that in the home and in the church a principle of authority is laid down that somehow there should be male authority in those two places without giving specifics. “Inside the home, where you women have chosen the men you are doing this with, and inside the church, where you women have chosen the men you are doing this with (the pastors), what you do is you work out what that principle of authority will be.”

PVK processing this idea Continue reading →

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Singing as healthy as Yoga

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Joseph’s Middle Passage

LGBTQ Safety or Religions Liberty

Last year the Ontario legislature mandated that all schools, religious or otherwise establish Gay-Straight Alliances, groups where gay students could gather to talk about their issues. This is an attempt to prevent bullying. The Roman Catholic church, that operates schools of course saw this as a threat to their religious liberty.

In an article in the American Conservative entitled The Botany Club: Gay Kids in Catholic Schools Eve Tushnet processes some of this given her experience growing up in a progressive private high school. She weights the pros and cons of what an organization like this might mean for students in the context of a Roman Catholic school. Here she makes the follow observation.

How could an openly-acknowledged Gay-Straight Alliance aid in this discernment? Well, for one thing, its relationship to the adults around it would not need to be antagonistic. The school chaplain or a local priest could attend some of the meetings, and talk with the kids about any misconceptions they may have about the faith. Specifically, I often hear that it’s okay for the Church to require (most) priests to be celibate, since they chose that way of life, but it’s cruel to require celibacy of gay people since we didn’t choose to be gay. This isn’t a good way to think about vocation–you don’t always choose what God is asking of you, and it’s rare that the greatest sacrifices in your life are the ones you chose entirely freely. A priest talking honestly about his own discernment process, and whether or not he felt directly “called” to celibacy, might offer a better model of discernment–and a better understanding of the purposes and challenges of a celibate life.

She makes the following statement in the next paragraph: Every form of love has its own kind of cross.

Choice: The Great American Demand and Expectation Continue reading →

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Redeemer Pres. and Gender Roles Pt. 2

I’ve been listening to a group of seminars on the Redeemer site where Tim and Kathy Keller address their view of male headship in the home and church. I wrote one post (Pt 1) about it mostly dealing with Kathy Keller’s “Texts of Terror“. The series continues with more clarification by Kathy Keller with some Q/A, then a presentation by Tim and then Q/A for both of them. 

In this post I’ll do a bit more interacting than simply reporting I think. Again, I found the presentations very interesting worthwhile listening to. I have deep appreciation (from afar) for the Kellers (church plants are commonly the fruit of a family’s labor and Redeemer seems to be no exception to this) and what God has done through them at Redeemer and given both my proximity to them ecclesiastically and historically (given my roots in Paterson NJ) the Redeemer story continues to fascinate me.

Kathy Keller and Cultural Irony Continue reading →

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Non-Violence and the Book of Revelation

After spending 75 weeks walking my Adult Sunday School class through the book I’m frequently pained to see how abused the book is in the popular imagination. Scot McKnight has a nice post on this.

But none of these opinions recognize the true beauty of Revelation. Revelation is a violent book, but the violence is not dished out as much as it is absorbed. And although there’s a lot of bloodshed, it often flows from the veins of Christ and His followers, not from His enemies.

In fact, Revelation supports Christian nonviolence more aggressively than any other biblical book. Nowhere does Revelation encourage the church to act violently. Human violence is always condemned, and suffering is exalted. Now, make no mistake: Jesus will return as Judge, and He will pour out His wrath. But the thought of a tatted, buffed out, commando Jesus hacking His enemies to pieces with sadistic pleasure is nowhere to be found in Revelation. Jesus receives authority to judge His enemies because He first suffers by their hands as a slaughtered Lamb.

In Revelation, victory belongs to victims and Lamb-like warriors conquer their enemies by being conquered. That’s the theme of this violent book.

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The Botany Club: Gay Kids in Catholic Schools

The American Conservative

Specifically, I often hear that it’s okay for the Church to require (most) priests to be celibate, since they chose that way of life, but it’s cruel to require celibacy of gay people since we didn’t choose to be gay. This isn’t a good way to think about vocation–you don’t always choose what God is asking of you, and it’s rare that the greatest sacrifices in your life are the ones you chose entirely freely.

Every form of love has its own kind of cross.

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List of Christianity’s Good Contributions to Western Civ

From Reformed Reader, from “God is a Moral Monster”

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Of What Enduring Value is Suffering and Maturity?

The book of James opens with a very difficult passage:

James 1:2–4 (NET)

2 My brothers and sisters, consider it nothing but joy when you fall into all sorts of trials, 3 because you know that the testing of your faith produces endurance. 4 And let endurance have its perfect effect, so that you will be perfect and complete, not deficient in anything.

Approaches to Suffering

Suffering is universal, everyone has, is or will suffer.

How we view the world impacts how we approach suffering.

Buddhism of course is centrally concerned with suffering. Suffering is eliminated when one eliminates from themself the illusion of their self. Buddhism can be seen as a sort of spiritual suicide of the self. I agree with Peter Kreeft’s lecture on Suffering that I’d rather keep my self even with suffering.

In the book “The Call of God” a number of people cite the existence of suffering and loss in their lives as the motivation for abandoning the Christian faith. Their prayers for good things and relief from their sufferings were not heard which led them to the conclusion that God is not there or God does not care. See Richard’s quotes.

Suffering and Purpose Continue reading →

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Atheist churches

“Book Review & Atheist Churches” http://feedly.com/k/10LVcj2

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Peter Enns on Why He Thinks Those Free of Evangelical Institutions may be the key to the future

Fascinating article. 

 

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