The Colossian Forum , Archive » Article – “Come and See” by Mark A. Noll

http://www.colossianforum.org/2012/10/23/article-come-and-see-by-mark-a-noll/

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Complementarian Women Complicate the Conventional Conversation

The Caricature

Complementarians are men don’t want to share power and have with docile, quiet, compliant wives. Egalitarians are loud women with compliant, hip, spineless husbands (that would be me I guess).

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Just having read a couple of very well written, sharply argued articles by complementarian women (Can breadwinning Wives Be Happy and Sarah Flashing’s review of Rachel Held Evan’s latest book) can really upset the caricature.

How does it change the conversation when complementarian men shut up (egalitarian men have been accustomed to shutting up and sitting down once institutional access concerns were addressed) and complementarian women argue passionately, articulately and forcefully?

Applauding the Awkward Victory

So if complementarian women are speaking in church, posting high visibility blog posts, and  moving the conversation, who won?

Maybe we should just simply applaud the grace of Christ in giving his church such gifted women and continue to receive what they have to offer as we continue to work through and explore the mysteries of human sexual polarity.

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What happens when you’re not clear on cause and effect. :) Move the Deer crossing signs!

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Majority culture, minority culture dynamics

Nice post with a detailed list on some of what is behind feeling out of place when you are not part of the majority culture in an organization.

That’s a helpful, detailed list. What’s not as easily addressed is the dynamic itself. Sometimes a third culture can be established but what it required is often time (it evolves with contributions and assertions and sacrifices on all sides) and determination.

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The Walking Dead

I’ve always been fascinated with apocalyptic stories. I remember as a child pondering what a nuclear attack would bring. I remember the boxes of Civil Defense rations stuffed in the storage room off the Jr. High Gym. I remember when they hired an exterminator and we arrived at school to see the gym floor covered with dead roaches, probably those that had been feasting on the rations. I remember growing up in Paterson, that during the 70s was a sort of partial apocalyptic environment with two story row houses being condemned and sometimes burned down. Paterson could be quite apocalyptic.

Last year I watched the first season of “The Walking Dead” on Netflix and was disappointed by how few episodes they did. This year I picked it up again to see season 2 and was not disappointed. It had grown from a rather standard apocalyptic story to one that explored what it means to be human, to be civilized, to be good. The characters were constantly challenged by the question “What is this world creating me to be? Can we have hope? Is living worth it?”

I saw the wonderful piece in Books and Culture on the series and it really helped put words on why I like it. I had been challenged by someone saying something like “I don’t see how a Christian can watch something like that.” I didn’t feel apologetic or defensive about it. I knew I was getting something good from it.

I was curious about the original graphic novel series so I bought the first on one Kindle. In the intro the author says “With THE WALKING DEAD I want to explore how people deal with extreme situations and how these events CHANGE them.”

From the TV series in season 2 it appears he hit is mark.

As a pastor I see that life in the age of decay is an extreme situation, it just moves more slowly than a TV series does. One of the interesting thing about TWD zombies is that one at time they are manageable, but get a “herd” of them together and they’ll destroy the world. Very much a vision of humanity and its troubles.

At times in TWD the characters notice that their grim world isn’t THAT different from how life was before the viral outbreak. People died. People killed. People lived and loved. There was beauty, there was horror, there was tragedy, there was survival. The zombies just make it stark.

We’ll see if the show can maintain it’s quality in the long term. Few shows can.

What does the show do for me? It reminds me of our need for the gospel. I find American life is characterized by massive denial of the obvious. We deny death and failure and constantly promote the idea that the next political campaign, the next consumer product, the next medical breakthrough, the next psychological insight will bring shalom, and it never does.

People do deal with a slow apocalypse, often in similar ways to the TV characters. In many ways a slow apocalypse is a more difficult challenge than a dramatic one because the grays are grayer.

So cheers to TWD. May you work your craft well.

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Link List for RHE’s Year of Biblical Womanhood

Excerpts from Comments:

This one from the Kathy Keller review.  This by Hannah Anderson. I think she makes an exceedingly important point here. I hear Evans critiquing the simplistic literalism haplessly applied in the communities she’s protesting, but the manner of the protest is itself laden with some assumptions that will seriously prejudice the discussion.

I recently read a review  that suggested that some people will not “get” RHE’s use of literary convention and insist on engaging YBW as a literal argument because they lack the capacity to understand post-modern irony. I assume that’s something akin to what you’re saying here as well.

My only response would be that irony is a really bad way to engage in dialogue. If your stated point is to open honest conversation about womanhood and biblical interpretation, this is not a good way to do it. Irony and humor rely on shared assumptions and it’s obvious that those are the very things in question here–there simply isn’t a shared hermenuetic. And an ironic approach becomes even more absurd (in the existential sense) when the discussion moves to a mainstream market that doesn’t have any context for it–in that milieu, stripped of a common understanding of the Scripture’s role in guiding our lives, RHE looks like she’s poking fun at it not simply the Stepford wife stereotype. (I recognize that she doesn’t necessarily intend to do this, but the nature of the her rhetoric doesn’t make it clear.)

All that to say, because of her choice of literary convention, the only people who will “get” the argument are the people who already share her assumptions. The disconnect is not solely the result of reviewers being unable to understand RHE’s approach. The approach itself was never capable of facilitating “honest dialogue.”

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Rachel Held Evan’s Today Show Interview on her book

A Year of Biblical Womanhood. Link

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Ed Stetzer on the “Nones”

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In the Land of Ashes | Books and Culture

http://www.booksandculture.com/articles/2012/sepoct/in-ashes.html?paging=off

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Zombie Nation | Books and Culture

http://www.booksandculture.com/articles/webexclusives/2012/october/zombie-nation.html?paging=off

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