Why I am still a Christian, even when 2 Kings 3 says God helped a petty tyrant continue to enslave Moab

Bart Campolo’s De-conversion

We’re in a cultural moment when many people are leaving an overt religious commitment either for a looser spirituality or non-theism entirely. A high profile example of this has been Bart Campolo, the son of a famous evangelist. A few years ago Bart “came out” as a non-theistic humanist to his family explaining why he still strives for his version of the common good but no longer believes in God or the Christian story. This interview done by the Christian organization Youth Specialities will give you a sense of the conversation.

He became a “humanist chaplain” at USC and has been counseling people to appreciate how amazing life is and how to enjoy it to the fullest.

Good Without God

He reflects quite openly on his conversion and then his de-conversion. He understands both in terms of a social and psychological process. He became a Christian as a early teen he says because he was surrounded by a lot of other good people who wanted to make an impact for good in this world. After decades of trying to bring shalom to the poor of the inner city he decided he didn’t need the story of Jesus or the stuff of the Bible to do this work. He believed it would all go better without all the religious baggage.

He came to the conclusion that these religious beliefs were things that you pick up as a function of your upbringing. If you’re raised in an Islamic household you’ll probably become a Muslim and if you’re raised in a Christian household or get in with a bunch of good Christian people you’ll probably find their stories and ways of thinking to be compelling and you’ll be like them. So he decided that these religious categories were unnecessary attachments and that in fact he could be a better person and do more good in the world without all these things that sometimes create walls and barriers between people and organizations.

This is a common story and one that you’ll find many people telling and embracing. One of the things that is seldom noticed in the telling of the story is that the person who steps out of the group they were raised an or indoctrinated into implicitly portrays themselves as the exception to the norm. While HE was raised a Christian he changed his mind and has “broken out” of that confining or un-examined or mindlessly assumed tribe and through his own insight, clarity or overcoming moral effort transcended the tribes and now sort of lives above it all.

We might as a matter of fact tell the story in a different way that he has in fact simply become subject to yet another example of sociology-of-knowledge-tribal-group and has been indoctrinated by the new tribe, the non-theistic humanists that believe his way and joined them. In other words he hasn’t necessarily left the confines of limited information or a smaller world for a larger one (as the story implicitly imagines) but rather simply switched rooms from one set of beliefs to another. In other words if you imagine you became a Christian because good, winsome and influential people around you were Christians and connected their attractive community and behavior with their Christianity, might it not also be the case that you have become a non-theistic humanist because you met good, winsome and influential people around you who were non-theistic humanists and you wanted to migrate your identity towards them.

Most of us don’t like to think of ourselves as adult subjects of sociological forces. We like to imagine ourselves as elevated and enlightened choosers of identities that have the independence, wisdom and good judgement to choose the good, the right and the truth against the claims competing for our attention and allegiance. We are, however, comfortable imagining that those of other identities and belief systems are subject to those sociological forces and therefore, less than ourselves, bound to those systems and in some ways innocent of some of the wrongs that those systems have brought upon them.

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Andy Crouch on Institutions

https://www.cardus.ca/comment/article/5145/whats-your-institutional-iq/

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Parenting Through Adulthood Session 1

Why is this such a difficult conversation to start? Have? Get specific with?
Because the life if your child is so broad and complex, and your role in that adult child’s life is too.

There is no creature more complex in the universe that we know than a human being and the process of all of this is not only mysterious to us because of the complexity but also because of our closeness to it. We can’t talk about our children without engaging in the complexity of ourselves.

Who is this class for?

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Tony and Bart Campolo why I left, why I stayed from Youth Specialies

Does the gospel actually free us or does eternity and law finally condemn us

Quip about Bart in his youth and pornography

This entire video is well worth watching as Youth Specialties interviews Tony and Bart Campolo about their book about their dialogue together as father and son over Bart’s de-conversion.

When father and son really start getting into the debate about 2/3rds of the way in there comes the question of eternity. Does imagining there is no eternity liberate us, so says Bart, or does it make this present age meaningless?

It’s very interesting that Bart’s experiential illustration he appeals to is porn. Guilt over the eternal consequences of porn as a Christian he implies pushed him to disbelieving in eternity.

https://youtu.be/p4heKWpUWnU?t=34m22s 

This is fascinating because the assumption is, of course, that this was the unforgivable sin, or at least the unmasterable sin.

It reminds me of the old joke about the Christian college chaplain talking to the newly minted skeptic. The skeptic says “I just don’t believe anymore” and the chaplain says “when did you start having sex with your girlfriend?”

This of course touches on how many debates. Dreher and the Benedict option says SSM is the dividing line. It’s the abdication of traditional Christian sexuality that causes the house to collapse. The progressives increasingly say “we won’t police sexuality”. The charge against Tony Campolo (who rather recently embraced SSM but insufficiently for some https://paulvanderklay.me/2015/06/08/tony-campolo-moves-to-the-affirming-camp/) gets hit with the charge that waffling on this is a gateway drug to full deconversion. https://www.premierchristianity.com/Blog/Bart-Campolo-says-progressive-Christians-turn-into-atheists.-Maybe-he-s-right

 

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Bart Campolo at Chautauqua

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The Hebrew Battle where the Sun Stood Still

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5024509/Solar-eclipse-mentioned-Bible-DID-occur-3-224-years-ago.html

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Student Charged with Harrassing Roomate

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2017/11/01/student-charged-after-bragging-about-putting-roommates-toothbrush-where-the-sun-doesnt-shine/?utm_term=.dd96cbfc5517

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Whitewashed Heroes, How to Celebrate Flawed Reformers

https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/whitewashed-heroes

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Indulgences Continue 500 years after Reformation

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/three-ways-to-obtain-an-indulgence-for-the-100-year-fatima-anniversary-78258 

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A Disciple of Neil Postman on Phil Vischer talking about raising kids in a media saturated world

The Reformation as Media Event 

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