On Images

Tripping over to Ann Voskamp’s blog, seeing the most recent posting. Her blog is amazing, moving, beautiful, but it is also nostalgic, opening up a window into a world that I know a lot of people yearn for or are deeply drawn to imagine they can return to. A rural world of beautiful moments, “time in a bottle”, the rural, pastoral, idyllic. I’m glad her wavelength isn’t in one of my idolatrous frequencies or I fear the blog would simply be too powerful. I know people for whom it would be.

Photography, and poetry, are two very powerful image creators and when put together with this kind of skill make for some powerful “magic”.

Today at our Sacramento cluster meeting we had a discussion on people’s incapacity for pain or disappointment, especially among the young. Something about our world has communicated with a generation that somehow pain and suffering are experiences that can be avoided.

Last night I watched the second to last House. At one point House loses it and screams out “LIFE IS PAIN” and he is right. It’s also beauty.

Powerful images, whether conjured by poetry or photography like all powerful things must be handled (by creator or receiver) with care. We are deeply susceptible to images and they work powerfully below our conscious awareness. I remember a discussion of how media shapes expectations and assumptions below the line of our awareness. This is deeply true and something that is hard to fully face.

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Links and Notes from May 15 2012

My long good friend Calvin bounces around some ideas from the Willimon post on the SSM topic.

Nice piece from ThinkChristian.net on Frank Langella and Fame

 

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Tim Keller on Homosexuality

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZFCB9sduxQ

(Note, this is not the original link. See the comment section for the IP question that resulted in this change. pvk)

Because I’ve got a lot of Tim Keller stuff on my blog I tend to get a lot of Google searches with his name in it. Almost always one of the largest Google cues I get are “Tim Keller homosexuality”. This is one of the few recordings where he speaks to it directly.

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Links from May 2012 on the Same Sex Marriage Debate

This is obviously not a complete list, but some things that I’ve read or written that I’ll want to keep a record of. I’ll keep adding to it as I come across things. This won’t obviously be an exhaustive list. I hope it will be a list that represents multiple sides. Feel free to add to it in the comments.

Posts by me: What is Marriage for? , why “Anything you want” doesn’t work, and one on romantic idolatries.

From conservative Reformed persons Michael Horton and Kevin De Young.

A youtube piece from a young gay man on his take.

A very interesting piece from the American Conservative on why the right can’t win. 

Rachel Held Evans “How to win a culture war and lose a generation.”

One not directly on it but I think pertinent to how Christians feel in this debate. Will Willimon on no longer expecting the nation to prop up the church.

From Patrol “You Can’t Win the Public on Homosexuality”

Tim Keller on Homosexuality.

Statistics on Same sex legal partnerships/marriages mostly from Europe. Percentages who actually wish to register are far lower than heteros (even given percentage of population) and divorce rates are higher, especially lesbian couples.

NT Wright on the Debate in the Church about Homosexuality.

The Libertarian Case Against Gay Marriage by Justin Raimondo. This is a gay man. This quote is interesting.

“The modern gay-rights movement is all about securing the symbols of societal acceptance. It is a defensive strategy, one that attempts to define homosexuals as an officially sanctioned victim group afflicted with an inherent disability, a disadvantage that must be compensated for legislatively. But if “gay pride” means anything, it means not wanting, needing, or seeking any sort of acceptance but self-acceptance. Marriage is a social institution designed by heterosexuals for heterosexuals: why should gay people settle for their cast-off hand-me-downs?”

Here’s a Christian arguing for a definition of marriage “one man and one woman” in terms of natural law or the essence of marriage. He also links to a longer paper by an Ivy League trio. I’ll note again here that this is trying to answer the question “what does the word marriage mean” rather than my question “what is marriage for?”

From 2005, the first trio marriage in the Netherlands. Only the state does marriage in the Netherlands, the churches may hold “an affirmation of marriage” but it has no legal consequence. In the Roman Catholic church there the church only considers the marriage “complete” after their ceremony.

Blog post written by an African American PCA pastor on whether conservative Christian African Americans should not vote for Obama because of his SSM statement.

Kevin DeYoung weighs in again on “What the Bible Really Still Says About Homosexuality”

Daniel Helminiak CNN Belief Blog “My Take: What the Bible really says about homosexuality” 

Last Chance for a win-win on Same Sex Marriage Basically says that the state should do “civil unions” for any and all and leave the “marriage” word alone.

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The Same Sex Marriage Debate and our Romantic Idolatries

In a FB conversation with some friends they wanted to know what I thought. I told them that I though the lesbian couple down the street with the two children they are parenting ought to look the same before the eyes of the law as my wife and I and our children look. This satisfied my straight friends, but I suspect it would not satisfy all others. The debate is a red herring. What is being sought is a judgment that the status of a romantic, sexual relationship between two people of the same sex is identical to one between two of the opposite sex. The reason the debate is a red herring is because judgment is always derived from a person on personified judicial agent.

A Matter of Civil Law

A judgment before the eyes of the civil law based upon representative democracy is not a difficult thing to derive. The US and other countries have significant time, money and social capital invested in the machinery to create this personified judicial agent we call the law. If this secular, representative democracy decides to view the lesbian headed household as it does my own, that doesn’t really bother me. Those children need rights recognized and protected just like mine. That couple has property matters that need to be fairly adjudicated just like my wife and I do. There is in my opinion sufficient analogy between our relationships to warrant the kind of legal oversight and protection for both. I really don’t have a problem with that.

I would argue the same thing for the case in England of the two sisters who attempted to file for the legal right to marry in order to save the home that they shared and the tax advantages that a marriage would have afforded them. If they were raising a child in that home I would want that child also to have similar rights. All of these laws are about family. Family as a legal construct is created either by blood relationship or analogous blood relationship of which traditional marriage is a part. Stephanie Coontz in her book on the history of marriage notes that about the only commonality you can find among the huge diversity of marriage situations throughout cultures in history is that marriage creates family members out of non-blood related persons. Adoption functions similarly. I don’t think that any of this is new or outrageous.

If the debate is to resolve the question of whether families that somehow deviate from the traditional interpretation of family should have the benefits and responsibilities of family law, then it is an easy debate, one that really isn’t much different from many other questions long resolved. We want laws for human flourishing that protect the weak and afford justice for persons working within these systems. We have all sorts of ways for dealing with this and it does not seem like a difficult question, but again I don’t think this is what is giving this debate the emotional fuel it is clearly expending.

This Debate is God-Haunted

I am amazed at how God haunted this debate really is, even among atheists and people who openly condemn theistic assertions. When President Obama “switched sides” what exactly changed? Yes, there are some detailed legislative implications in his embracing “same-sex marriage”, transitioning from his affirmation of “civil unions for same sex couples” but those differences are lost to most of us not legally and economically impacted by the distinction. For a while now a majority of Americans articulated a willingness to afford same sex couples the same legal and tax benefits of opposite sex couples.

The debate has for a long time centered on the word “marriage” and the reason it has been that word in America that has been fought over is because of its God haunted quality. Again and again you will hear “let the government only do civil unions, let churches fight out what ‘marriage’ is.” which exposes the assumption that “marriage” within our vocabulary possesses a religious meaning beyond the mechanics of civil law. This is where the battleground lies for many of the combatants, especially the ones connected to churches.

This debate is about a judgment. People are saying “this is about judgment of law” but I don’t think so. It is about the judgment of God and it always amazes me how on one hand people who either by overt profession or management of life say “there is no god or at least he/she/it doesn’t really matter in the real world” get worked up about religious pronouncements, especially when they are the target of negative religious pronouncements. If an ancient Canaanite prophet were to pop up before me in the line at the supermarket and inform me “Molech is VERY angry with you!” I don’t think I’d be bothered in the least. I don’t believe in Molech nor do I give two toots about what he might think of me.

Many will recognize this and say “but I protest people having opinions about me because of their religious reasons” and that makes more sense. None of us like being looked down upon. We do know however that this is a consequence of living in the midst of people with the capacity to form their own judgments for whatever reasons. We commonly segregate ourselves from people who form negative judgments of ourselves and we do so naturally. We perpetually endeavor to shape the judgments others create of ourselves in a positive way through appearance, kindness, civility, generosity, etc. and we try to influence others around us to join groups of people who naturally favor us and join us in resisting groups who oppose us. These are the common under currents of human community and organization.

Those of us who feel particularly threatened by the opinions of Molech might take another step to declare “It isn’t right that the believers in Molech cast laws against those who deny the will of Molech” and I would agree. I don’t want the Molech faithful to mandate that I offer my children to fire sacrifice. Fortunately we live in a nation that has a system that both allows religious persons to participate but tries to not enthrone any religious system with state sponsorship. The working through of these dynamics stands at the heart of our system, for better or for worse. See Nick Wolterstorff’s good conversation with Miroslav Volf on religious participation in liberal democracy.

To me the interesting parts of this debate have little to do with the legal issues. Those don’t seem terribly hard to deal with. We have established processes for working through questions like these (courts, legislatures, elections, etc.) and they will grind away in their time towards whatever solutions they find for however long they endure. What is more interesting to me are the whys behind the debates.

The Demand

This debate is not really about the judgment of the civil law on this matter. It is about the assertion that the sex of romantic and sexual partners is incidental to the public value of the relationship everywhere in society. It is the demand that all those with the capacity to form judgments (especially the large, influential ones) not evaluate a romantic or sexual partnership on the basis of the sex of the parties involved.

Because the traditional position of the church has been that the only morally sanctioned sexual activity happens within the context of a marriage, having the church embrace same sex marriage then has the church sanction same sex behavior within marriage. Gay libertarian Justin Raimondo wrote

“The modern gay-rights movement is all about securing the symbols of societal acceptance. It is a defensive strategy, one that attempts to define homosexuals as an officially sanctioned victim group afflicted with an inherent disability, a disadvantage that must be compensated for legislatively. But if “gay pride” means anything, it means not wanting, needing, or seeking any sort of acceptance but self-acceptance. Marriage is a social institution designed by heterosexuals for heterosexuals: why should gay people settle for their cast-off hand-me-downs?”

The Us We Demand Our Gods to Mirror

Many have noted that this fight is different in America. Is it because America is more religious or is it because American religion has some interesting properties? In Ernest Becker’s “The Denial of Death” he describes how when you release the world from God the Romantic solution tends to fill the gap. With God out of the picture we attempt to use romantic relationships as the mirrors though which we wish to see our selves, know our selves, construct our selves, vindicate our selves, save our selves. Rose says of Jack in the movie Titanic “he saved me in every way a person can be saved”. We like our romantic saviors and we like our gods lines up to affirm our choices.

What is going on in this debate is nothing less than a pitched battle to define a public god’s judgment with respect to our romantic idolatries. If romantic love is our savior, we must have our god agree.

This of course leads us back to the question: “what is marriage for?”

If you say “I want my country to mirror and support my religious views” I would certainly agree with you. While we’re at it I’d like to eat all the ice cream I can without weight gain or heart disease. I don’t believe God is going to grant me either request. If you’re a conservative Christian who feels like someone has changed the rules on you, that you’ve lost a lot of power in the land and that America is no longer the Christian nation you thought it was you have my sympathies. There is a rigorous debate as to whether there ever was a golden age of Christianity in America. I think a lot of the different perspectives on this are dependent upon where someone was located in those years.

In 1986 Will Willimon wrote a piece putting Christians on notice about the fact that we should no longer expect the nation to prop up the church. It’s a good piece, one worth reading. pvk

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“The Romantic Solution” from Earnest Becker’s “The Denial of Death”

This book won the Pulitzer Prize in 1974. In this section Becker describes the consequences of modernity to the meaning seeking person. From Chapter 8

The Romantic Solution

Once we realize what the religious solution did, we can see how modern man edged himself into an impossible situation. He still needed to feel heroic, to know that his life mattered in the scheme of things; he still had to be specially “good” for something truly special. Also, he still had to merge himself with some higher, self-absorbing meaning, in trust and in gratitude —what we saw as the universal motive of the Agape-merger. If he no longer had God, how was he to do this? One of the first ways that occurred to him, as Rank saw, was the “romantic solution”: he fixed his urge to cosmic heroism onto another person in the form of a love object.3 The self-glorification that he needed in his innermost nature he now looked for in the love partner. The love partner becomes the divine ideal within which to fulfill one’s life. All spiritual and moral needs now become focussed in one individual. Spirituality, which once referred to another dimension of things, is now brought down to this earth and given form in another individual human being. Salva¬tion itself is no longer referred to an abstraction like God but can be sought “in the beatification of the other.” We could call this “transference beatification.” Man now lives in a “cosmology of two.”4 To be sure, all through history there has been some competition be-tween human objects of love and divine ones—we think of Heloise and Abelard, Alcibiades and Socrates, or even the Song of Solomon. But the main difference is that in traditional society the human partner would not absorb into himself the whole dimension of the divine; in modern society he does. pg. 159

In case we are inclined to forget how deified the romantic love object is, the popular songs continually remind us. They tell us that the lover is the “springtime,” the “angel-glow,” with eyes “like stars,” that the experience of love will be “divine,” like heaven” itself, and so on and on popular love songs have surely had this content from ancient times and will likely continue to have it as long as man remains a mammal and a cousin of the primates. These songs reflect the hunger for real experience, a serious emotional yearning on the part of the creature. The point is that if the love object is divine perfection, then one’s own self is elevated by joining one’s destiny to it. One has the highest measure for one’s ideal- striving; all of one’s inner conflicts and contradictions, the many aspects of guilt—all these one can try to purge in a perfect consummation with perfection itself. This becomes a true “moral vindication in the other. “5 Modern man fulfills his urge to self expansion in the love object just as it was once fulfilled in God: “God as .. representation of our own will does not resist us except when we ourselves want it, and just as little does the lover resist us who, in yielding, subjects himseff to our will.”6 In one word, the love object is. God. As a Hindu song puts it: “My lover is like God; if he accepts me my existence is utilized.” No wonder Rank could conclude that the love relationship of modern man is a religious problem.” pg. 160

As we know from our own experience this method gives great and real benefits. Is one oppressed by the burden of his life? Then he can lay it at his divine partner’s feet. Is self-consciousness too painful, the sense of being a separate individual, trying to make some kind of meaning out of who one is, what life is, and the like? Then one can wipe it away in the emotional yielding to the partner, forget oneself in the delirium of sex, and still be marvellously quickened in the experience. Is one weighed down by the guilt of his body, the drag of his animality that haunts his victory over decay and death? But this is just what the comfortable sex relationship is for: in sex the body and the consciousness of it are no longer separated; the body is no longer something we look at as alien to ourselves. As soon as it is fully accepted as a body by the partner, our self-consciousness vanishes; it merges with the body and with the self-consciousness and body of the partner. Four fragments of „existence melt into one unity and things are no longer disjointed and grotesque: everything is “natural,” functional, expressed as it should be—and so it is stilled and justified. All the more is guilt wiped away when the body finds its natural usage in the production of a child. Nature herself then proclaims one’s innocence, how fitting it is that one should have a body, be basically a procreative animal. pg. 162

But now the rub for man. If sex is a fulfillment of his role as an animal in the species, it reminds him that he is nothing himself but a link in the chain of being, exchangeable with any other and completely expendable in himself. Sex represents, then, species consciousness and, as such, the defeat of individuality, of personality. But it is just, this personality that man wants to develop: the idea of himself as a special cosmic hero with special gifts for the universe. He doesn’t want to be a mere fornicating animal like any other—this is not a truly human meaning, a truly distinctive contribution to world life. From the very beginning, then, the sexual act represents a double negation: by physical death and of distinctive personal gifts. This point is crucial because it explains why sexual taboos have been at the heart of human society since the very beginning. They affirm the triumph of human personality over animal sameness. With the complex codes for sexual self-denial, man was able to impose the cultural map for personal immortality over the animal body. He brought sexual taboos into being because he needed to triumph over the body, and he sacrificed the pleasures of the body to the highest pleasure of all self-perpetuation as a spiritual being through all eternity. This is the substitution that Roheim was really describing when he made his penetrating observation on the Australian aborigines: The repression and sublimation of: the primal scene is at the bottom of totemistic ritual and religion, that is, the denial of the body as the transmitter of peculiarly human life. pg. 163

If you find the ideal love and try to make it the sole judge of good and bad in yourself, the measure of your strivings, you become simply the reflex of another person. You lose yourself in the other, just as obedient children lose themselves in the family. No wonder that dependency, whether of the god or the slave in the relationship, carries with it so much underlying resentment. As Rank put it, explaining the historical bankruptcy of romantic loves a “person no longer wanted to be used as another’s soul even with its attendant compensations.”17 When you confuse personal love and cosmic heroism you are bound to fail in both spheres. The impossibility of the heroism undermines the love, even if it is real. As Rank so aptly says, this double failure is what produces the sense of utter despair that we see in modern man. It is impossible to get blood from a stone, to get spirituality from a physical being, and so one feels “inferior” that his life has. somehow not succeeded, that he has not realized his true gifts, and so on.”

No wonder. How can a human being be a god-like “everything’ to another? No human relationship can bear the burden of godhood, and the attempt has to take its toll in some way on both parties. The reasons are not far to seek. The thing that makes God the perfect spiritual object is precisely that he is abstract—as Hegel saw. He is not a concrete individuality, and so He does not limit our development by His own personal will and needs. When we look for the “perfect” human object we are looking for someone who allows us to express our will completely, without any frustration or false notes. We want an object that reflects a truly ideal image of ourselves.20 But no human object can do this; humans have wills and counterwills of their own, in a thousand ways they can move against us, their very appetites offend us. God’s greatness and power is something that we can nourish ourselves in, without its being compromised in any way by the happenings of this world. No human partner can offer this assurance because the partner is real. However much we may idealize and idolize him, he inevitably reflects earthly decay and imperfection. And as he is our ideal measure of value, this imperfection falls back upon us. If your partner is your “All” then any shortcoming in him becomes a major threat to you.

If a woman loses her beauty, or shows that she doesn’t have the strength and dependability that we once thought she did, or loses her intellectual sharpness, or falls short of our own peculiar needs in any of a thousand ways, then all the investment we have made in her is undermined. The shadow of imperfection falls over our lives, and with it—death and the defeat of cosmic heroism. “She lessens” = “I die.” This is the reason for so much bitterness, shortness of temper and recrimination in our daily family lives. We get back a reflection from our loved objects that is less than the grandeur and perfection that we need to nourish ourselves. We feel diminished by their human shortcomings. Our interiors feel empty or anguished, our lives valueless, when we see the inevitable pettinesses of the world expressed through the human beings in it. For this reason, too, we often attack loved ones and try to bring them down to size. We see that our gods have clay feet, and so we must hack away at them in order to save ourselves, to deflate the unreal over-investment that we have made in them in order to secure our own apotheosis. In this sense, the deflation of the over-invested partner, parent, or friend is a creative act that is necessary to correct the lie that we have been living, to reaffirm our own inner freedom of growth that transcends the particular object and is not bound to it. But not everybody can do this because many of us need the lie in order to live. We may have no other God and we may prefer to deflate ourselves in order to keep the relationship, even though we glimpse the impossibility of it and the slavishness to which it reduces us. This is one direct explanation—as we shall see–of the phenomenon of depression.

After all, what is it that we want when we elevate the love partner to the position of God? We want redemption—nothing less. We want to be rid of our faults, of our•feeling of nothingness. We want to be justified, to know that our creation has not been in vain. We turn to the love partner for the experience of the heroic, for perfect validation; we expect them to “make us good”: through love,” Needless to say, human partners can’t do this. The Iover does not dispense cosmic heroism; he cannot give absolution in his own name. The reason is that as a finite being he: too is doomed, and we read that doom in his own fallibilities, in his very deterioration. Redemption can only come from outside the individual, from beyond, from our conceptualization of the ultimate source of things, the perfection of creation. It can only come, as Rank saw, when we…lay down our individuality, give it up, admit our creatureliness and helplessness.24 What partner would ever permit us to do this, would bear us if we did? The partner: needs us to be as God. On the other hand, what partner could ever want to give redemption—unless he was mad? Even the partner who plays God in the relationship cannot stand it for long, as at some level he knows that he does not possess the resources that the other needs and claims. He does not have perfect strength, perfect assurance, secure heroism. He cannot stand the burden of godhood, and so he must resent the slave. Besides, the uncomfortable realization must always be there: how can one be a genuine god if one’s slave is so miserable and unworthy? pg. 167, 168

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Links and Notes for May 14 2012

Bill Vis on Voices passed along this YouTube presentation by a young gay man named Matthew Vines as he works through the issues as he sees them of same sex relationships with respect to the Bible. http://youtu.be/ezQjNJUSraY

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The Liability of Election

Continuing my thoughts on the second Sabbath for Paul and Barnabas in Pisidian-Antioch in Acts 13.

Jews Resist, Gentiles Grab hold of

One of the interesting aspects of the passage (as we’ll see repeated again and again in Acts) is that many of the Jews, especially the synagogue leadership will resist Paul while many god-fearers will grab onto Paul and Barnabas’ message. Why?

The leadership were invested in the present establishment. 

This of course isn’t hard to understand. It is a normal human impulse especially when you invest your self into a belief system, an institution, a way of life. Once you invest your reflected self into it, you will fight to defend it and you will resist anything that threatens this.

We recognize that this is normal, but we also recognize that this is often counter-productive when it comes to being open to truth correction and needed change. The truth I subscribe to is often the enemy of something that may in fact be more true on the basis of better information. This is a perpetual problem for any of who have made mental commitment, yet without mental ascent and commitment you can’t live.

This is a dynamic commonly critiqued against the religious, but we all have systems, ideas, notions, values that we have invested self into and hold onto because we are attempting to hold onto our identities derived from these things.

The Problem of Election

The notion of divine election in the Bible is clear (Israel’s election, Jesus’ election, being elect into Christ, etc.) but throughout the Bible election possesses a particular hazard.

One of the places it is most clearly seen is in the book of Jonah. Yhwh makes clear to Jonah that his calling entails a certain sacrificial posture towards obedience and God’s desire for a world made right. Jonah must announce God’s wrath upon Nineveh.

Jonah knows Yhwh and that knowledge doesn’t bring him comfort. He knows that even the worst presented offering of grace (40 days and Nineveh will be overturned) may in fact yield an outpouring of God’s mercy, and on the story goes.

Back to Acts 13. The synagogue leaders have invested themselves in the story of God, the institution of God, and are deriving their identity from the election of God. These are all good things. Now, however, upon new information by Paul and Barnabas, they perceive a threat to their system and they react zealously out of envy.

I want to be fair to these long dead synagogue leaders. The story Paul and Barnabas tells is not easy to believe. Resurrection? Plus there are a lot of people around with a lot of stories. In his epistles Paul himself will have less than gentle words for people Paul considers to be threatening the flock. Paul is no stranger to zeal. In the story in Acts 13 the best response was the first one. “Come back next week and we’ll talk more.”

The election of the synagogue leaders would in fact become a stumbling block for their behavior, just like it had done for Jonah.

The Insecurities of a self-constructed self upon items within the Age of Decay

Between the Sabbath the insecurities of the leadership got the best of them and they did what most of us do when we are threatened, we resort to bullying, conspiracy, manipulation and coercion. The synagogue leaders had access to the levers of power and they weren’t afraid to use them.

The Holy Spirit Shows Up Again

The Holy Spirit now makes another appearance in chapter 13. Earlier Paul was filled with the Holy Spirit when he denounces Elymas, now the new believers who didn’t have the obstacle of the self-constructed selves are filled with joy and the Holy Spirit. Those without the same investment in the institution, establishment, and even the rehearsed election of a favored people of God are now called elect while Paul and Barnabas conduct a liturgical dusting off of feet to declare the leaders of the institution of the LORD to be unclean.

This story reminds us that self-constructed identity even upon the good gifts of God can become possibly the most dangerous form of idolatry available to us. It was that way with the bronze serpent, the temple of the LORD and the Bible itself.

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Link list of the blog discussion on the CRC Confessions and Form of Subscription

I find it handy to keep a list of postings on a current subject that get disseminated into the blogosphere. If you have written on it or found a posting I didn’t list drop it in the comments. Thanks. pvk

The piece I wrote for the CRC Network on the Classis Blog. I also posted an initial copy on my own blog.

Bob De Moor’s Banner Editorial. Karen Maag discusses it a bit in her excellent article on confessions for the Banner.

James KA Smith’s blog posting.

Mark Hilbelink’s posting on the CRC Young Adult Leadership Taskforce. Lots of comments on this one.

John Suk comes out boldly on his blog. “Time to Put the Confessions to Pasture?” This obviously caused a lot of comments on the Facebook forums. Both the CRC Pastors Facebook page and the Returning Church Facebook page have lots of comments.

Bryan Berghoef checks in on his blog.

Dan Brown checks in on his blog.

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Why “Anything you want it to be for” is not a good answer to the question “What is marriage for”

Following up my my previous blog post on marriage and on Facebook conversations about the question.

You said “you cannot define what a marriage is for for everyone” but that is in fact the purpose of US law.

You don’t even believe that answer yourself, probably

It sounds nice and generous to say that everyone should be able to define marriage for themselves, but the US government disagrees, and I suspect you agree with the fact that we want a public definition of marriage that we all work from.

A woman who defines marriage as an income generation project by taking money from wealthy immigrants seeking US citizenship is defining marriage in her own way. The US government says “no you can’t do that” and you probably agree that this is an abuse of the institution according to the implicit definition you have but are struggling to define.

A man who has a wife and children in the Dominican Republic and a wife and children in Haiti says “marriage is an institution by which I increase my wealth and influence and develop a large and thriving group of families.” Many people today in the US would say “this is an abuse of the institution”. If this man decides he would like to also start a family in the US under the same terms the US government would say “this is not what marriage is for” and you and many others would agree with the US government. You would probably assert that this is an abuse of the institution.

I think you would agree with me that we need a better answer to the question “what is marriage for” than “whatever anyone wants it to be for.” We of course can’t stop people from answering the question in their own way but human civilization is premised upon public definitions that define and control public institutions.

What the project is

There are lots of private marriages and many of us know that these private marriages have commitment, intimacy, sharing of property, children, etc. but we believe that there is something important about a public institution and that we as a civilization have a shared understanding of that institution, however vague and in process that understanding may be. This is why we talk, fight, debate, vote, discuss, etc.

I would assert that today in the US the dominant, common, cultural answer to the question “what is marriage for?” is happiness, I would also assert that this is an insufficient answer.

It may make the woman marrying wealthy immigrants happy to get the money, but we still say this is an abuse of the institution.

It may make the man and even possibly his many wives in different countries happy to pursue economic and biological multiplication in this way, but many of us would say “this is an abuse of the institution”.

Two sisters in the UK  wished to marry so that they could have the tax and legal benefits of the home that they shared. This was clearly for their well being and didn’t seem to harm the community at all but a judge disallowed their marriage on the grounds that they are sisters. (See the list of who you can’t and can marry in the UK.)

What we see is that in fact we have are working on a vague, implicit, communal answer to the question “what is marriage for”. Working on more on that question would probably be a good thing and it might help if we work on it directly to the degree that we are able.

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